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That is such a stupid question.
First off, it's the central point of his defense so it's the definition of a good question.
Secondly, go tell her, she asked first.
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let me tell you something about Ecstasy. It's known for being the great bonder; like cuddly Bostik, it is. And generally your sexual urges and your urge to hurt and maim go down in direct proportion to your skyrocketing urge to love the world. It's also a great willy-shrinker in ze males. People on Ecstasy don't want to/can't for the life of them fuck, in general.
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Hmmm was he charged for being under the influence? was he charged for breaking and entering?
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First off, it's the central point of his defense so it's the definition of a good question.
Secondly, go tell her, she asked first.


I don't give a fuck what some mong blogged elsewhere - you asked it here and there.

But to answer your stupid fucking question - it depends on the person and the E. I've had great, hours long sex on E.
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First off, it's the central point of his defense so it's the definition of a good question.
Secondly, go tell her, she asked first.
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let me tell you something about Ecstasy. It's known for being the great bonder; like cuddly Bostik, it is. And generally your sexual urges and your urge to hurt and maim go down in direct proportion to your skyrocketing urge to love the world. It's also a great willy-shrinker in ze males. People on Ecstasy don't want to/can't for the life of them fuck, in general.
don't want to go down a side-street on this but she's talking absolute bollix
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But to answer your stupid fucking question
As I said, it's not a stupid question, it's about the basis of both his defense and all this hoopla about it being "out of character behaviour" for him.
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don't want to go down a side-street on this but she's talking absolute bollix
I don't know about absolute.
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3 Studies finding decreases in arousal or sexual activity
3.1 Animal studies: In rats, Bilsky et al[xiv] found MDMA elicited ejaculation in male rats, and concluded "endogenous opioids modulate the reinforcing properties of stimulant drugs and affect male sexuality", however Dornan at al[xv] found "repeated systemic administration of MDMA to sexually vigorous male rats produced a transient disruption of the expression of male copulatory behavior. In addition, in MDMA-treated males that did display copulatory behavior, both the ejaculation latency and postejaculatory interval were dramatically lengthened when compared to saline injected controls." Rajmani[xvi] et al found ecstasy inhibited contractions of the vas deferens in mice.
3.2 Human Studies: Parrott[xvii] observed "The acute boost in monoamine activity can generate feelings of elation, emotional closeness, and sensory pleasure... Abstinent regular Ecstasy users often show... memory problems, higher cognitive deficits, various psychiatric disorders, altered appetite, and loss of sexual interest." Parrott et al[xviii] also found "Heavy ecstasy polydrug users reported significantly higher scores than non-drug users on several SCL-90 factors, including phobic anxiety, obsessive-compulsive behaviour, anxiety, psychoticism, somatisation, and significantly higher rates of 'loss of sex interest or pleasure'."
3.3 Zemishlany et al[xix] studied the subjective effect of ecstasy on sexualactivity: desire, erection (lubrication in women), orgasm and satisfaction, finding "Desire and satisfaction were moderately to profoundly increased by MDMA in more than 90% of subjects. Orgasm was delayed but perceived as more intense. Erection was impaired in 40% of the men. It seems that MDMA impairs sexual performance, in spite of enhancement of sexual desire and the perception of greater satisfaction." O"Dwyer[xx] noted "Thoughts about sex when on E were not always matched by real desire. Establishing a 'meaningful relationship' was felt to be an essential part of foreplay. Some found sex while on Ecstasy disappointing while for others it was enhanced."
3.4 Henderson[xxi] reported " Sex is not one of the foremost pleasures offered by Ecstasy. The motivation for raving is more likely to be sensations of the mind, body and soul. The pleasure of dancing with expression and empathy pushes sex into the background. Interviews indicated that sex is the last thing women have in mind when going to a rave... The sexual safety of raves is an attraction for girls, compared to alcohol-based clubs, which are seen as cattle markets. Girls sometimes enjoy kissing at raves because it feels good but is 'safe', i.e. is not going to involve sex... Sex is not one of the foremost pleasures offered by Ecstasy. . . Most men have the opposite to an erection: a shrinking penis"
3.5 Saunders[xxii] reported "Although the media portray Ecstasy as an aphrodisiac, sexual arousal is not an effect of taking MDMA. In fact the drug tends to inhibit erections in men (and male rats). However, people who are already feeling in a sexy mood as the drug takes effect may become aroused. Many users never become sexually aroused on E and find the state quite incompatible. However, for others it depends on their libido at the time and this in turn depends on who they are with and the surrounding atmosphere, so that a place with sexual vibes such as a club may induce sexual behaviour while this virtually never happens at raves. In general, there is a tendency away from sexual desire but the drug allows one to continue on that energy level, although erections are inhibited and orgasms suppressed", and noted "A group of Swiss psychotherapists who have experience of some hundreds of people in group and individual sessions, tell me that they have never come across a participant becoming sexually aroused while on MDMA, although it does sometimes happen on LSD. They say that sexual longings are sometimes expressed, but not the immediate desire for sex. The Swiss therapists appear to take it for granted that MDMA suppresses sexual arousal, and that men cannot have erections while on the drug."
3.6 Beck & Rosenbaum[xxiii] concluded "MDMA and sex do not go very well together. For most people, MDMA turns off the ability to function as a lover, to put it indelicately. It"s called the love drug because it opens up the capacity to feel loving and affectionate and trusting." At the same time, however, it makes the "focusing of the body and the psychic energy necessary to achieve orgasm -- very difficult. And most men find it impossible. -- So it is a love drug but not a sex drug for most people." Solowij et al[xxiv], interviewing recreational users in Australia, found subjects reported ecstasy to improve sex (70%) and lower inhibitions (67%), although 45% reported that ecstasy inhibited arousal and/or climax, and 12% reported a loss of sexual urge related to ecstasy use, lasting for an average of 48 hours
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As I said, it's not a stupid question, it's about the basis of both his defense and all this hoopla about it being "out of character behaviour" for him.

It is a stupid question because we don't have all the facts of the case and so should not retry it here - as much as you love doing that.

Secondly, even the mong you posted used the word generally. That should tell you something.

E can act as a strong hallucinogenic - sometimes, this can be put down to the fact that what is sold is often not even E.
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It is a stupid question because we don't have all the facts of the case
Oh, fuck right off. We know he said he was off his head on drink and E. I'm asking would that have caused erectile dysfunction. You don't need to know what Shannon's address was in order to give an answer to that.
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Oh, fuck right off. We know he said he was off his head on drink and E. I'm asking would that have caused erectile dysfunction. You don't need to know what Shannon's address was in order to give an answer to that.

It is a stupid question. Alcohol is supposed to be a major cause of erectile dysfunction but just because you are hammered doesn't mean you can't get it up. You are raising it because you want to question his claim that he was on E, i.e. retry the case. That is why it is a stupid fucking question.
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re-read her comments and then re-read your research summary - she's talking bollix

god help me but I'm not getting into a sparkument on this - it's way too important an issue so argue with me via pm if needs be
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You are raising it because you want to question his claim that he was on E
Okay lanod, enough with the "stupid" comments. As far as I'm concerned, intoxication isn't relevant to sentencing because while it may (and I don't mean "does") affect intent, it does not affect responsibility - otherwise, drunk driving wouldn't be a punishable crime, because you were intoxicated when you got in the car so you didn't have intent. I'm asking because her blog posed the question and I couldn't find an answer so I figured I'd actually ask.
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Okay lanod, enough with the "stupid" comments. As far as I'm concerned, intoxication isn't relevant to sentencing because while it may (and I don't mean "does") affect intent, it does not affect responsibility - otherwise, drunk driving wouldn't be a punishable crime, because you were intoxicated when you got in the car so you didn't have intent. I'm asking because her blog posed the question and I couldn't find an answer so I figured I'd actually ask.

A debate about whether the fact that he was intoxicated should allow him to claim diminished responsibility is a perfectly resonable debate.

However, your motivation in raising the question regarding erectile disfunction and E can only have been because you were questioning whether or not he was on E - that is what I saw immediately and that is what pissed me off.
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However, your motivation ... can only have been ... that is what pissed me off.
So you're saying that my motivation was to question someone else's motivation and that pissed you off and you don't see the irony in this?

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So you're saying that my motivation was to question someone else's motivation and that pissed you off and you don't see the irony in this?

You're wasted on the likes of us Lanod, you really are...

Nope, I'm saying you wanted to retry the case, that you were trying to question the guy's claim that he took E because you heard somewhere that if someone took E they couldn't get it up so QED in your head - he couldn't have taken E.

You have never shown the slightest sign that you understand irony, so I would hardly expect you to start now.
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Nope, I'm saying you wanted to retry the case
Once again, you're questioning my motivation and saying that it was to question someone else's motivation and that pissed you off and you don't see the irony in this?
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